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« on: August 20, 2009, 06:11:57 AM »

OK, this is a Garrard 401 build in slate...

It has two aims:

1) Learn how to cut slate
2) Sell the result.

Costs so far:

So:
401 = NZ$600
Kokomo upgrade = NZ$150
Slate = NZ$200
Pulsar Points X 6 @ $50 = NZ$300
Tonearm (OL Silver Mark II) = NZ$??? (say NZ$400 at a guess)

Total =NZ$1650

I shall be using the two layers (figuring more is better) and so on.

We start with the Slate!




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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2009, 06:56:45 AM »

Where's the Decca  tongue

Looking good, I am also finalising my PTP3 plinth and other slate projects, I have a number on the go ......... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2009, 10:41:50 AM »

My very modest attempts at slate cutting have found that a coarse hacksaw blade works quite well especially if you use water to help it along.

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2009, 08:37:30 PM »

So, as with Jet, my friendly lecturer is sitting with a 401 template setting it up to be cut...

Things to do here.

1) Think about the tonearm set up
1.a) Do I do a Slatedeck cutout?
1.b) Do I do a normal one (just drill a hole)?
2) Cut the second layer
3) How do I mount the tonearm?
3.a) Use a piece of thin slate (10mm thick)
3.b) Get a universal mount made up (like the Slatedeck ones)?
4) Cut holes for the Nordost Pulsar Points

I am strongly tempted to go for (1.a) and (3.b) - especially since I am getting the cutting for free. The only thing being that the Rega arm distance (223mm) is very close to the deck, especially when catering for a 32mm AF nut.

Decisions!
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2009, 08:49:19 PM »

And needless to say my primary objective (learn to cut slate...) is already a bust, since I am getting it water-jetted for free.
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2009, 10:26:28 PM »

I heard recently a 401 on a slatedeck and was very impressed...

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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 07:35:33 PM »

I heard recently a 401 on a slatedeck and was very impressed...

Jean.
And that is another reason to do this... I want to listen to a 401 on slate and do a direct comparison to Jet. Re-evaluation time, especially with the new plinth material.

In my original comparison I made it look as though I preferred the Lenco by a large margin, not so! It was very close and only when the G99 was converted to PTP3 status did the Lenco really satisfy me (all the good bits of the 401 coupled with all the good bits of the Lenco)!

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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2010, 10:38:36 AM »

At last!

The slate has arrived with suitably shaped holes cut out. A friend waterjet the slate for me.

I have two large pieces of slate for the Plinth and 3 tonearm mounting boards (30mm thick) to mount tonearms on.

Things to do:

1) Get some more Nordost Pulsar Points (on order)
2) Cut the tonearm boards down to a more suitable size
3) Mount everything up

Pictures as soon as I can find my camera!
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2010, 01:40:04 PM »

Great Stuff Jon !!! I am looking forward to this build  wink
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2010, 05:41:57 AM »

So we start with the base template



Hmmm... Thank goodness for templates, I found on building it that the bottom layer (the square) was incorrect! It had to move left (the square cutout) by 30mm)

So then I looked at the tonearm board I had asked for...



And I thought far too small, very square and not round enough...



Now that is much more the shape I am after!
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2010, 04:05:18 AM »

Cool.  Keep up the good work.  And figuring out problems before they jump up and bite you is so rewarding.
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2010, 05:41:26 AM »

Well the slate has finally arrived.

30mm thick!

The tonearm boards (one for the OL Silver mark II, one for the Riggle VTAF set up, and one blank):



The Layers separated with some Nordost Pulsar points in place:



The Layers put together:



The deck and arm in place (loosely):



Issues to deal with:

I need more Pulsar points and these are on order.

I need to cut the tonearm boards down so I get a tonearm board of the right height and sufficient left over to cater for other arms.

I need to get some bolts for the boards.

Trivial, really (Ha!) Cutting the board down is going to be tricky, and I have no idea how I am going to do that!

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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2010, 10:57:25 AM »

Cool, Jon ! Very cool !  cool cool cool
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« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2010, 11:14:26 AM »

Thanks, Jean!

I forgot to mention that the tonearm board is a Golden Section:

180mm X 111mm

Looks nice with those proportions!
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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2010, 11:24:29 AM »

A slate tonearmboard is the most revealing material that I know of... I had my first experience with that material with my TD 124 and it makes bass so tight and precise, I could not go back to wood...  wink
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