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Author Topic: tube/valve phono preamp  (Read 9879 times)
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« Reply #60 on: August 27, 2009, 05:30:40 PM »


can't find it on fleabay, but there is one here - its the Marantz M7 one

http://www.e-audio.net/servlet/Categories?category=Brand:Music+Angel
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« Reply #61 on: August 28, 2009, 09:50:16 AM »

can't find it on fleabay, but there is one here - its the Marantz M7 one

http://www.e-audio.net/servlet/Categories?category=Brand:Music+Angel


Those are silly prices - any good?
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« Reply #62 on: August 28, 2009, 09:58:59 AM »

Those are silly prices - any good?

I am hurt  angry questioning me like that !  angry
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« Reply #63 on: August 28, 2009, 10:13:01 AM »

I am hurt  angry questioning me like that !  angry
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« Reply #64 on: August 28, 2009, 10:25:58 AM »

I think Trond Kjetil of Thorens Lovers bought one back on the LL forum. Wonder what happen to the website, seems dead.  embarrassed
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« Reply #65 on: August 29, 2009, 02:44:50 AM »

Daiwok,

What a coincidence.  I called up one of the hifi fella(LS3/5a members) asking him about this EAR thing.  As replied he owned one, (with V.control)!! and i was invited for audition a shoot out with other phono days later with some friends.

It is always an expensive set up, and also my first time listening to single ended 805 matched with M7 pre driving LS3/5a. But he is not into Lenco with me.


Time was short, but i able to listen to the EAR834p (x3 original tube) comparing a brand which cost RM 8000 (support with x3 telefunken)=USD 2000 spare for trail.    Still we all prefer EAR..    smiley   I hope when i am done with my setup, i really whould want him to bring over to try on. 

Daiwok,  more options sometimes really confuse and lose concerntration. It also depends the availability in my place to audit, rather making mistake that cost money, and worse cost time to reset your budget. 

I saw from ebay some copied phono circult board with varies brands.  Is that fine?
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« Reply #66 on: August 29, 2009, 03:48:10 AM »

The EAR 834P is a good phono which can be better ! I never mod mine as I am talking like over 10 years ago when used one and when I did it was for a second system as my Convergent CAT SL1 was the main phono pre-amp. However I read that the Step up Transformers (SUT) used inside were cheap and not very good. The caps used as well were very average. Since then I have read a number of people copying the circuit and having great results. I recently visited someone who upgraded the SUT and had fantastic results. So in general the MM circuit is very good. At the time I changed my tubes to ribbed Telefunken (I did not pay USD 2000 for my tubes, which sounds excessive - a matched pair gold feet ribbed ECC803s is about USD 500) and it made a huge difference.

Yes there are many PCB copies on the market of a number of old pre-amps. Are they any good ? they are ok, but you need to spend more money on the Power Supply, components are not cheap if you want something serious. In the end these PCB's are for people who have limited budget to start off with, then over time upgrade and have more fun. I read that they are not bad, but will never will be like the real thing as choice of components and power supply changes the sound dramatically.

I don't know how good your DIY skills are or what type of cartridge you are planning on, but if you like valve phono then you might want to check out what Malcolm is using which is the Ming Da, others have tried the Bottlehead Seduction. EAR 834P is not cheap but Classiquie ounds in UK are selling one for GBP549 which is reasonable. http://www.classiquesounds.co.uk/

Personally I find phono amplifiers and SUT's are a mine field as you really need to know how to match in get the best sound, and this is not as straight forward as some people think. The tried and tested route is MM tube phono + SUT (Altec Peerless 4722) with a Denon 103 or 103r.

Welcome to ask more questions  smiley
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« Reply #67 on: August 29, 2009, 07:47:02 AM »

I have a EAR 834P Deluxe with some aftermarket tubes and I have found a K&K Lundanhl SUT easily bests the build in SUT of its MC section to my ears. It's not my main phono stage and I like its MM performance.
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« Reply #68 on: November 20, 2009, 03:40:55 AM »

Hai guys,

I think diy on the Ear phono will be a go for me.  Owning one is too expensive, and owning a pre-own is also expensive.  I tried to print out the schematic i saved from months conversation,  I prefer to go as close to original as possible.   Anyone have idea about the HT?  and the B+ again? 


thanks.

Wan.
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