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Author Topic: Wind Your Own Mains Transformer  (Read 5621 times)
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« on: January 09, 2016, 11:51:05 AM »

When I have built my tube amplifiers, I have winded a few mains transformers.  It can be done to suite tubes with uncommon heater voltages and you can tailor the high tension part to suite your design perfectly.  It can also save you some money and most importantly, it can be fun!  I thought that I should share what I have done.

I am not an electrical engineer.  I am just hacking this!  But the approach described here has produced working transformers for me.

The usual caveat: working with high tension is dangerous.  Don't try this, if you don't have the skills for working with high tension.  Some more reading on this subject: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/tubes-valves/30172-safety-practices-general-ultra-high-voltage.html

First, you need to figure out how much power you need and what wire to use.  Here is data on how much current wires can handle: http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm  A part of the table of interest looks like this:



The value applicable for transformer winding is found in the column "Maximum amps for power transmission".

For example, I am going to build an amplifier with a 5U4 rectifier, two 6A6 drivers and 2A5 power tubes. For this, I need the following power:



Selecting wires from the table that can handle the currents gives:



The selected wires can actually handle a bit more current than required, which is reflected in the last row, "I capacity".  The total power is 67 W.  How large transformer do you need for that?  You can do the maths (read about it here:  http://ludens.cl/Electron/Magnet.html) or have a look in this list:



If you have, like me, a primitive set up for winding, the windings will not be perfect and may waste a bit of space on the bobbin.  Therefore, you want to have a bit of margin, when choosing the size.  In this example, IE96 seems like a comfortable choice.

How many windings do you need on the primary?  Again, you can do the maths or look in the list above.  Take your mains voltage and multiply it with the number of windings per volt.  I have 230 V in the mains, so I need 230 * 4.22 = 971 windings.  The transformer should deliver 67 W.  The current in the primary winding is therefore 67 / 230 = 0.29 A.  A suitable wire for that is AWG 26 with 0.4 mm diameter.

You need a bobbin and iron.  A split bobbin that separates the primary and the secondaries is best for safety.

You also need transformer iron.  It usually comes in E- and I-laminations.  If you are lucky, you have a local supplier for transformer iron, because it is not fun to pay international postage for heavy stuff like this.  If you have no such luck, you may be able to find an old scrap transformer to use for parts.  Hopefully, it has not been soaked in varnish and can then be taken apart without too much effort.  However, to get the first lamination out may require a bit of force.



Currents are created in the transformer core when magnetised, which leads to losses.  To reduce them, the core is divided in laminations that are electrically isolated from each other by painting them.  In my old scrap transformer, the paint fell off on most laminations, when I took it apart. Therefore, I needed to paint a thin layer on both sides of them:



Don't worry if there are scratches in the paint.  It does not need to provide perfect isolation. 

Then, it is winding time!  This is my primitive set up:



I wind the primary and the high tension sections with this, while doing the heater windings manually.  Guide the wire with your hand and keep some tension in it.  You can count the turns manually, but I bought a cheap counter from China for $16: http://www.ebay.com/itm/261536919678?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

After finishing each winding, I test it with the load that I will use.  I assemble the core in large chunks without screwing it together.  The load for the high tension part is done with a resistor and for the load for heater winding, I use the tubes that it will supply.  If the voltage is too high/too low, I add or remove windings until I get it right.  Note that the transformer will buzz loudly when it is slapped together like this.





When it is time for the final assembly, insert the E-laminations in different directions for every layer:



Then, press the I-laminations into the remaining spaces:



Hammer them into place:



After that, make a final test, loading all the secondaries, measuring the voltages again.  Leave it running for an hour.  If it does not overheat, you have got it right!



After that you need something to hold the outer laminations into place and screws to tighten the laminations together.  For the transformer in this example, used a transformer cover:



If you are not using a transformer cover, you can use some metal bars to hold the transformer together.

If you want to be torough, insulate the bolts before inserting them through the core.  This is to aviod making electrical contact between the laminations.  I roll a thin piece of paper around the bolts.

Now, you have got yourself a nice transformer that matches your needs!  smiley

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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2016, 12:27:19 PM »

A fascinating read. Thank you Niclas!

I don't think I'll be trying it any time soon. The breadth of talent, knowledge and skills on this forum is a constant source of amazement to me.
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2016, 12:33:23 PM »

Great work Niclas grin & very informative. Don't think I'd have the patience to do this & certainly admire your skills.
How would you say the cost compares to a commercial transformer with the same specifications?
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2016, 06:01:15 PM »

Thanks for your comments!  I think that transformer winding has more to do with patience than skills.   smiley

Chris, my main motivation is not the cost, but getting a transformer with all the right voltages.  As a DIYer, I have the possibility of using tubes that are a little unusual and have heater voltages other than 6.3V.  Enamelled copper wire is not very expensive.  Previously, there was a Swedish supplier of transformer iron and related parts.  The iron is cheap and the domestic shipping charges are OK.  And if you can find a scrap transformer to recycle the iron from then that is a very economical alternative!

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2016, 01:17:57 AM »

Very cool. Whats next? Winding your own step up? Or an MC cartridge?
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2016, 01:30:38 AM »

Love your work Niclas.

Knowing me I would run out of wire with only a few windings to go.  laugh
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2016, 02:14:34 AM »

Very impressive!!
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2016, 02:21:30 AM »

BTW I have to build a small shielding box for a 30VA transformer, was wondering what metal would be best to prevent and magnetic interference with other transformers?

I have mild 0.7mm steel, copper or aluminum.

Its for my phonostage power, which will be housed in the same box as Nigels speed control with 2 x80va toriodal transformers.
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2016, 03:23:40 AM »

Well done Niclas! This is the type of stories that are always great to read. Very informative presentation also!
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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2016, 05:03:03 AM »

Great grin Have you tried winding your own OPT?

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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2016, 08:45:08 AM »

Thanks for your nice comments!   smiley

I have not tried to wind my own output transformer or MC step up.  I think that to an make audio transformer that produces sound is not too difficult, but to make one that sounds good is trickier!  For the time being, I leave that job to Lundahl!    wink

Paul, I know that mu-metal is good for shielding!  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu-metal  Of the metals that you have available, I am not sure, which one is the best.  Steel maybe?  Does anyone else know?

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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2016, 09:19:52 AM »

Great tutorial Niclas! Thanks! Not going to build one soon thouhg..  azn

(Stainless) steel should be fine for shielding.
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2016, 07:47:48 PM »

Great Job ...I have done many things but I dont think I will ever get into winding my own power tranfo's

but i support the whole DIY Thing thats what makes the hobbie for me  grin



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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2016, 08:28:48 PM »

That is a very nice tutorial.  Thank you for posting it.

I bought one of those hand-winders with the intent of adding an Arduino and a digital counter to control the number of windings and a motor to move the wire back and forth for even (flat) layout of the coils.  My goal is making inductors for crossovers, and since I'm going to build fourth-order ones for six surround speakers, that's a lot of coils to buy!  As you noted, magnet wire is inexpensive, and it appears one can make a decent inductor for 25% of the cost of the finished product.

I've been doing reading about stiffening power supplies in tube amplifiers using chokes, the original method before high-value electrolytic capacitors were available at an affordable price, and one of the common points is that not only does a choke essentially add secondary magnetic field which helps to reduce sag under load, the heater transformer should be wound on a separate core from the B+, because transients one one winding can reduce the magnetic flux for the other.  So High B+ can suck flux out of the heaters.  Once the heaters get going the current is reasonably constant, of course.  At least with DC filaments, which is what I'll be using to reduce noise.

The other question is about the E and I cores, as these are made from different types of steel and have different properties.  I had some some reading about the output transformers made by David Hafler and Herbert I. Keroes, and they reported differences in quality resulting from the shape of the E/I lamination cores and the composition.  This was for output transformers, so I don't know if it matters for power ones.  Here's the comment by Hafler:
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An Interview with David Hafler, Part 1: The Acrosound Years” by Charles Kittleson, Vacuum Tube Valley, Issue 14
"Herb had the idea using a different shape of lamination than the conventional type. It was one that used a real long coil, which gave better coupling, and that was the thing we started with. It was a design that was not too expensive but it used a different lamination than most people used, yet they couldn't tell when they got it because the lamination was sort of buried there. You couldn't see where it was. But the top of the thing was horizontal or vertical. Technically it was an AI-7 I think was the one that we got started with for the Williamson amplifier. That particular shape "E" form, the center tongue was longer and so it was proportioned differently in a way that made for a lower capacity and an extended high frequency response."

So I don't know if this sort of thing matters for power transformers.
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2016, 07:20:39 AM »

Thanks Lawrence!

Retrovert, welcome to the forum!  smiley A great place for an audio DIYer!  Most of us put our first names in our profile.  It is nicer to address each other in that way. 

A choke input supply has advantages over a capacitor input supply.  It draws almost constant current from the transformer rather than high current pulses.  It has also lower impedance.  Also, using a couple of chokes in the power supply allows you to use capacitors with modest capacitance.  Then you can use film capacitors rather than electrolytic.

Why would AC heaters pull less continues current than DC heaters?  I have experimented with different heater supplies.  In my amplifiers,  which have indirectly heated cathodes, I have found that heating the tubes with AC gives better sound.  If you are careful when doing the heater wiring, you will get no problems with hum.  Directly heated cathodes may be different, but I have no experience from it.

I have also read that keeping the heater windings on a separate transformer is the best.  On my pre-amplifier, I did that.  A matter of cost, effort and chassis space...

It would be fun to hear more about your projects.  Maybe you will start some new topics for them?   wink

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