stanton 500 wiring.?

[b_sdaddy]

Dear All,

after advice, I'm putting a Stanton 500 onto my L70, replacing the existing Shure cart.

In the post today, is a new Stanton Eliptical stylus.

can someone pls confirm the wiring for the stanton:

It's the red, blue & green blocks that I don't get!

I get the Right Ground. Does the copper go to Left Ground.?


cheers

[analogadikt]

Check the sticky in tonearms section.

Regards

[projektori]

Does the copper go to Left Ground.?

Yes.

By the way, let us know how you like the stylus, I presume it's the 500 E (or an aftermarket equivalent)?

[b_sdaddy]

Yes, it's a 500e.

No time now, but over the weekend, will get time to listen:

Have no idea of the age of the shure cart/stylus combo - looking at the crud, a decade or three.?

I cannot believe for one moment, that this 'used' stanton 500 cart with a new stylus can better the sound.

A junkshop find has thrown me in at the deep end with the L70. What I thought was great (sounding), is apparently just the beginning. I'm preparing myself.


Cheers

[projektori]

Well, you'll be able to listen yourself soon. I'm sure it won't sound bad if the stylus only is good quality.

[GP49]

White = left hot
Blue = left ground
Red = right hot
Green = right ground

Post-1962, turntables and tonearms were supposed to have wiring to this standard, as in British Standard, DIN and ASA.

[b_sdaddy]

So then....

'Jeeez': How difficult is it to replace the cart on an L70 headshell?

I have enough spares lying around, so finding the right length bolt and washer/spacer combo was the least of my problems!

Anyway, persevered, and finally got it sorted.

Music used when testing/buying/selling is always Michael Jackson's Thriller: not that I'm a huge fan, but for me, the album has a wide range of tracks that help me, and each time I acquire something new, it's the perfect benchmark.

So: The initial run told me that it is indeed, a step up from the Shure M44c. The ribbon tweeters on my DM2a's actually work! Mid & bass don't seem to have altered much, but boy, do I hear things that I've never heard before at the top end.

But, I thought it sounded too 'bright' overall and decided to adjust the tonearm: luckily the thumbscrew turns free on this arm.

WOW! After a series of small turns, I've got my B&W's sounding better than they ever have. Just so much 'fuller' across the board.

I just want to spend the whole weekend in, listening to stuff that will benefit from the upgrade. I just have to play Blue Lines by Massive Attack, asap!

Begs the question, was the shure cart/stylus combo running at full strength?

I'm sure one of you will tell me the differences in compliance between a Shure M44c and a Stanton 500 with elliptical stylus.

And before you suggest, I'm not in a hurry to put the old set up back & adjust the tonearm. I just assumed the previous owner had done his stuff correctly. Anyway too much hassle me thinks.

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to going through my vinyl over the coming weeks.


One happy bunny!

ps. sorry for lack of technical terminology but hopefully you get the idea.

[projektori]

Good to hear that you like!

The Stanton has compliance somewhere around 10 CU I'd guess, with recommended stylus pressure 2-5 grams... M44C has about the same recommended stylus pressure (3-5 g), which usually indicates low-ish compliance, so I guess they may work in similar setting. (Earlier I somehow mixed the C stylus with 7 stylus which seems to be different).
However, in many cases playing with the compliance figures is not very rewarding, especially if you are comparing DJ cartridges to non-DJ cartridges. The figures are referential only.

I'm pretty sure though, that the Stanton 500E (and many other versions) is overall more sophisticated cartridge than the M44C (that is, once again, if your stylus is of good quality). But you'll truly know only by testing yourself!

By the way, if you don't have a stylus pressure gauge, it's a good idea to get one. You can fairly easily put quite a lot weight on your cartridge, more than needed (although the scale is quite large with yours).

[GP49]

If memory suffices...back in the late 1960s when I was a college kid and hi-fi stores often let you audition cartridges (usually premounted in Garrard or Dual headshells), I felt the Stanton 500E had it all over the Shure M44E. Smoother, more extended highs, more detailed mids, and it tracked like a champ at its minimum two grams.

[projektori]

...and M44E is still different to M44C which should be cruder

[b_sdaddy]

Good to hear that you like!

The Stanton has compliance somewhere around 10 CU I'd guess, with recommended stylus pressure 2-5 grams... M44C has about the same recommended stylus pressure (3-5 g), which usually indicates low-ish compliance, so I guess they may work in similar setting. (Earlier I somehow mixed the C stylus with 7 stylus which seems to be different).
However, in many cases playing with the compliance figures is not very rewarding, especially if you are comparing DJ cartridges to non-DJ cartridges. The figures are referential only.

I'm pretty sure though, that the Stanton 500E (and many other versions) is overall more sophisticated cartridge than the M44C (that is, once again, if your stylus is of good quality). But you'll truly know only by testing yourself!

By the way, if you don't have a stylus pressure gauge, it's a good idea to get one. You can fairly easily put quite a lot weight on your cartridge, more than needed (although the scale is quite large with yours).

I completed probably three or four 'half-turns' and at each one, stopped and listened. Obviously don't know what I started at. Will get myself a scale.
So will check to see if I'm anywhere near that 5g upper limit.

Still happy that a €15 junkshop find & a new €25 stylus has re-invented my set-up.

and to save me searching on here, what does one full rotation equate to on the std. L70 arm.?


Cheers for now

[projektori]

The arm should have a scale in front of the pillar... don't remember how it is to be read though 

In any case it's not accurate, referential at best. Best to use a gauge. Btw don't buy the cheap ortofon mechanical gauge, it's crap.

[mantelteo]

I have a Stanton 500 E with a nos stylus... I think thats the first thing I'm gonna do tomorrow, switch cart! I'll test it with a David Bowie record

[GP49]

I completed probably three or four 'half-turns' and at each one, stopped and listened. Obviously don't know what I started at. Will get myself a scale.
So will check to see if I'm anywhere near that 5g upper limit.

At times when messing around with somebody's turntable with no tracking weight calibration and no stylus pressure gauge available, I used a Popsicle stick as a teeter-totter on a pencil.  A US 5-cent coin weighs five grams.  If you put the 5-cent coin half as far from the pencil (fulcrum) as the stylus, you can measure 2 1/2 grams.

[b_sdaddy]

At times when messing around with somebody's turntable with no tracking weight calibration and no stylus pressure gauge available, I used a Popsicle stick as a teeter-totter on a pencil.  A US 5-cent coin weighs five grams.  If you put the 5-cent coin half as far from the pencil (fulcrum) as the stylus, you can measure 2 1/2 grams.

just got to try this first & then with a scale - ingenious!