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« on: November 20, 2018, 02:07:18 AM »

Good evening ladies and gentlemen my name is Ian and I am a 59 year old Tinbasher who professes to have limited Audiophile qualifications, No design skills in the area of electronics, abyssal spelling capacity but who has spent a lifetime in metalwork. I have recently passed my Architectural Metalwork Company (Satin Stainless Fabrications Ltd if you would like to browse some of London's most prestigious projects)  onto my son and have decided to finally do the things in life I've always wanted to but never had the time for...

In my younger days I got somewhere near 40% the way through building a 5 inch Gauge Britannia Steam Locomotive after building a small steam reciprocating engine at the age of 14/15 at school (see Picture, now looking its full 40 odd years old being stuck in the garage) but before reigniting the steam power projects I  got hooked on this forum and thought... Gizza a job I can do that....

The first thing I noticed is what appeared to be some rather well enlightened souls commenting that ideally the motor and electrics be positioned as far away from the arm/cartridge as possible. I took note that turning the motor 180 degrees and placing outside the footprint of the platter would result in the idler gear rotating in the opposite direction to what is required, Sooooo lets employ Two! idlers I pondered.
The following is a pictorial catalogue of the mock up and trial that I'm pleased to say actually works. The metalwork finish is not my normal high standard as I simply wanted to prove the "self-locking" mechanism of the 3no moving spindles/wheels. I also added a disengagement arm that Im happy to report works also. No Igus sleeve of flanged bearings are employed in this mock up but will be in the final production model that I'm am now starting. Igus staff are very helpful Btw and a meeting is planned regarding the main bearing in the next couple of weeks.

All the materials will be 316 grade 240 grit polished stainless steel and CZ108 240 grit polished and lacquered brass. It is my intension for the internals to mirror the high quality of the outside. The external finish will be a combination of stainless steel and Piano Black finish Ply/Mdf.

Anyway onwards and upwards as they say ...or fall flat on my face....

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First off lets knock some motor mounting pins up out of some grade 8.8 bolts thats lying around the workshop

Laser cut motor mounting plate and brass support legs

Fix the motor in position


Disengagement arm, supports and Idler wheel



That's a heavy top plate but will be scrap when the stainless steel one is waterjet cut

Platter Idler wheel with drop down mounting



Place the platter on

Underside view

offer the motor mounting plate up to the idlers


And the Disengagement arm and idlers all work ... So far so good  







I Have a video of the motor powered up and working so will post that latter

Many Thanks for a great forum.
Ian J


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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2018, 03:51:40 AM »

My, my, my.... just when you think you'v seen everything.
I have a thousand questions, but they can wait.
The reversed motor & extra idlers have been done before but not this way & not together IIRC.
I do wonder how well it works, as I have a reservation, but I'll wait for the video.

Welcome to LH! Great project & great 1st post!
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2018, 05:09:51 AM »

Wow !

Have you considered building a steam turbine to power it   wink

Welcome to LH  smiley
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2018, 08:10:38 AM »

this post can wipe out all the diyers who will be (i'm already) frightened by your engineering skills  shocked  grin
Welcome, Ian!
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2018, 08:56:37 AM »

Wow afro
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2018, 09:01:20 AM »

Thank you for your kind comments.

The first Video was a quick test of the motor working. Please ignore the heavy brass turned tappered wheel attached to the idler as on the finished model this will be much lighter Aluminium complete with weight reducing holes ...The only reason I used brass was A. to really load the motor and 2. I had naff all else But a 2 1/2" brass bar off cut LOL...

Link below

https://vimeo.com/301788363
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2018, 09:12:56 AM »

Crazy shibble bibble etc! Some professionels in here will face reality by you entering the forum, Ian. That’s gonna be fun, I am looking forward to see more of your project.

By the way, the link does not work  azn
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2018, 09:22:41 AM »

Crazy shibble bibble etc! Some professionels in here will face reality by you entering the forum, Ian. That’s gonna be fun, I am looking forward to see more of your project.

By the way, the link does not work  azn

Does the above revised link work Mantelteo?
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2018, 09:32:46 AM »

And for those of us who like a reassuring clunk when something mechanical works...

https://vimeo.com/301791517

Of course when all the Igus Flanged bushes etc are employed it will NOT sound like this .... and remember its a quick rough knock up....

Off to the workshop now to start the production finished article ...I will keep you all posted on how it all develops

Regards Ian J 
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2018, 09:36:29 AM »

Does the above revised link work Mantelteo?

Now it works
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2018, 09:39:21 AM »

Looks really cool! What's the benefits with this?

//Olle
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2018, 09:41:30 AM »

And for those of us who like a reassuring clunk when something mechanical works...

https://vimeo.com/301791517

Of course when all the Igus Flanged bushes etc are employed it will NOT sound like this .... and remember its a quick rough knock up....

Off to the workshop now to start the production finished article ...I will keep you all posted on how it all develops

Regards Ian J 

Great, I love it, allready! Remember to invest in a new platter bearing, or build one yourself!
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2018, 09:50:31 AM »

Looks really cool! What's the benefits with this?

//Olle

God knows... just an old Fart playing around in the workshop now I've retired...
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2018, 09:54:44 AM »

Great, I love it, allready! Remember to invest in a new platter bearing, or build one yourself!

Yep mate ... all took care of and on the drawings. As I said Igus are visiting the factory to provide their advise on the main bearings... have you seen just how many types they sell? Did my head in reading about them for two nights... I'm only used to old fashioned bronze bush
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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2018, 09:59:30 AM »

Amazing!!! Love it!

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Cheers!
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