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« Reply #150 on: June 27, 2021, 05:48:18 PM »

Well, I took your advice, I connected a wire from the metal chassis of the turntable to the base of the tonearm. I already had another wire from the base to the preamp. Now I don't hear any him, buzz, noise
For the moment, I'm using a Denon DL103 cartridge.

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« Reply #151 on: June 30, 2021, 03:48:54 PM »

Hi Luc,

I am delighted the additional tonearm to chassis wire helped.
Sometimes is it also worth to grounding the turntable spindle/bearing housing - a wire from it to the ground post on the phono preamp

In general I find that the eliminating ground loops and related hum becomes a bit of a black art and a particularly time-consuming endevour when step-up transformers are involved. I find myself  resorting  to the extremely empirical approch of taking a wire with 2 bare ends and touching different pairs of surfaces on SUT and phonostage until - bungo!-  there is a reduction in hum.   Often I end up with 2-3 grounding wires by the time I killed any residual hum

Best, C
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« Reply #152 on: June 30, 2021, 03:50:50 PM »

BTW, lovely plinth and I like the armboard arrangement: I suspect it allows you to spin it and thefore modify the dsitance between spidle and tonearm bearing
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« Reply #153 on: June 30, 2021, 03:59:32 PM »

Yes, I wanted to have a bit of flexibility in regards to the choice of the tonearm
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« Reply #154 on: July 10, 2021, 03:56:20 PM »



Just wanted to share a very positive experience with the Jurij's 12'' wooden banana arm in combination with an Ortofon Kontrapukt C that has just been rettipped by Expert Stylus Co with their sapphire cantilever + Paratrace stylyus.


The short version of the story is that the combo sounds spectacularly good.
I hear - or rather feel - bass as I never heard/felt it befroe from my vinyls. There is an incredible ('cavernous') soundstage. Highs and mides have real body as well as definition. Last but not least, I hear explosive dynamics as well as endless note decays.
These are all signs of a very accurate and fine information retrieval allowed by tonearm and Lecon GL75.


The slightly longer story is that it took me quite a few steps to get there. They involved a lot of fiddling with cartridge, tonearm, phono preamp and cables. I will detail the steps concerning cartridge and tonearm only.

Cartridge wise: 
Ortofon specs for VTF are 2.2-2.7g, with 2.5g as optimum. Expert Stylus' in their invoice letter states that 1.9-2.0g VTF is recommended.  Whilst it is true that the refurbished Kontrapunkt C tracks flawlessly at 1.9-2.0g, the sound was very much lacking in bite and definition, while displaying a grainy character in the mid-highs and highs -  not dissimilar from the sound signature of poor transistor amps.   
The AT OC9XSL sounded like a far superior cartridge.   Until I started experimenting with higher VTF. At the Ortofon recommended 2.5g things snapped into focus and everything improved:  clean and pure mids, bass impact and texture, soundstage, etc etc   
I will check if over time, as suspension and stylus settle, there are benefits in lowering back the VTF - I will report back
I use an Origin Live Cartridge Enabler spacer between cartridge and headshell. This cleans up highs and mid-bass very effectively, although at the slight expense of some bite on the highs. Not overtightening the cart mounting screws  seems essential to get max detail retrieval.


Tonearm wise:
First, I confirmed that a bit of  anti-skating helps bringing focus and definition all around. Best antiskating setting, despite the 2.5g VTF was at minimum force - i.e., antiskating wire and weight hooked on the very first notch on the little antiskating arm
The lateral counter-weight does influence the sound - at least in my system, despite everything being perfectly levelled.  Anyway, unscrewing the weight until it reached the far outer extreme of its threaded support yields the best results: with a further increase in focus and bass control.
Lastly, having eliminated any resonance in my "wooden jewel box" makeshift tonearm mount system, I found that tightening vertical bearings and the screw at the base of the tonearm (the one that allows height adjustment) brought further increase in definition and dynamics. The lesson seems to be:  tighten (not over-tighten!) everything in and around the tonearm if mechanical isolation from air and shelf born vibrations is very good; otherwise judiciously untighten things to introduce further mechanical isolation.  The former scenarios delivers maximum resulution and best dynamics.

Now, considering the Ortofon sold for almost £2,000 several years ago, I would say that there certainly is incredible mileage and ability to scale-up in the 12'' banana arm!


cheers, C
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« Reply #155 on: July 15, 2021, 07:52:07 PM »

Normally use the arm on the L75 but thought I would try it on my Orbe - sounds pretty good



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« Reply #156 on: July 15, 2021, 09:55:28 PM »

Hi Andy,

What arm lift are you using? It looks like it fits perfectly...
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« Reply #157 on: July 15, 2021, 10:05:36 PM »

Hi Andy,

What arm lift are you using? It looks like it fits perfectly...
Hi Robert
Its a Rega arm lift - around £21 from fleabay
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« Reply #158 on: July 25, 2021, 03:35:01 PM »

Hi Andy,

Very nice arm pillar!  What is it made of?  Looks like it may consists of a stack of disks, allowing for adjustemnt of the height.

Do you have sense of how does the 12inch banana arm differs from your SME arm in terms of sounds signature?

Best, C
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« Reply #159 on: July 26, 2021, 10:27:34 PM »

Hi Andy,

Very nice arm pillar!  What is it made of?  Looks like it may consists of a stack of disks, allowing for adjustemnt of the height.

Do you have sense of how does the 12inch banana arm differs from your SME arm in terms of sounds signature?

Best, C
Hi C

It was a 3D printed vice I made many years back and repurposed so I can alter the height quite easily.
I filled it with lead shot so very heavy.

12 inch banana arm against the SME V.
The 12 inch arm is very good and surprised me in what it can do but the SME just seems to dig that much more information out of the record and shows very quickly if a record was poorly recorded or pressed (sometimes not a blessing).

I would say the banana arm punches well above it's weight but not as good as the SME (as I would hope and expect )
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« Reply #160 on: July 27, 2021, 10:30:48 AM »

Hi C

It was a 3D printed vice I made many years back and repurposed so I can alter the height quite easily.
I filled it with lead shot so very heavy.

12 inch banana arm against the SME V.
The 12 inch arm is very good and surprised me in what it can do but the SME just seems to dig that much more information out of the record and shows very quickly if a record was poorly recorded or pressed (sometimes not a blessing).

I would say the banana arm punches well above it's weight but not as good as the SME (as I would hope and expect )

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« Reply #161 on: July 27, 2021, 10:59:51 AM »

good afternoon Andy! I see in the photo that you have the very first version of my tonearm. I have made quite a few design changes in accordance with many of the wishes of my customers. I mill the arm of the tonearm out of a 4-layer sandwich. there are only two of them in your tonearm. this increased the rigidity of the tonearm. in the vertical axis, at the request of the customer, I use hybrid bearings with ceramic balls. this increases the cost slightly but dramatically reduces the rotational resistance. shell and support flange changed.
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« Reply #162 on: July 28, 2021, 09:17:15 PM »

Thanks Juri for the information.
I am happy with the arm as it works well on the Lenco. cool
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« Reply #163 on: September 03, 2021, 07:16:41 PM »

Dear gents,

Have anybody tested the Juri arm against the Alfred Bokrand modified 12» Ortofon arm?

I have the Juri arm with an Soundsmith Zephyr MKII, and im realy happy with it… but maby the arm are Anita on the heavy side for the Zephyr??  And i also have an Ortofon SPU that i sant to use:-)

Thank you.
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« Reply #164 on: September 04, 2021, 12:29:02 AM »

I have both, and can report after i’ve finished a little end of vacation bender ‘m on…  huh
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