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« on: December 14, 2020, 08:42:36 PM »

Some years ago i bought my first lenco, an l76s and with that came a complete drawing for building a lenco plinth from lenco heaven. The owner before me never came to it to build a plint, so he gave it to me.
He had done some upgrades like a new rca cable, dampened the idler arm and told me that there were lots of tweaks to find on lenco heaven.
Now during corona time, i have read a lot on lenco heaven and that made me so enthusiastic that i started to build some phlints grin.

I first made some different templates out of 5.5 mm plywood because the paper templates didn't last long, and these i can use over and over.


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I made some templates just the same as you can download from lenco heaven, but i noticed that with the original template to many wood was cut away and i thought mass (weight) is better so i made some extra sets of templates, one for use with the original lenco arm and one for use with a non lenco arm with lesser wood to cut away.

Here is my first lenco with a plinth made from the lenco heaven (download) plinth. I sprayed it in a granit look which i have used a lot also for spraying home made loudspeaker cabinets.









With the new templates there is more wood to support the metall pan and the motor compartment is smaller but the motor can still move enough without touching the wood.

Here is a plinth that i made with the new templates for a lenco with the original tonearm,i still have to glue it together.



And the top layers for a lenco plinth with a non original lenco tonearm



I still have to made some extra holes in it and probably have to cut some extra wood away, but i will do that when my other tone arm (rega rb 300 arrives)

Here is a pile of plintwood that is already ready and only have to be glued together



Now i have some questions.

1. On the original lenco heaven plinth there is a lot of wood removed under the tone arm, is that neccesary for say sonic improvement or can i just cut away what is necesary, so just drill a hole under the arm pillar, through and through till the bottom, like you can see on the photo of this plinth.



2. I have read a lot about how to buil a plinth and which materials to use, i have chipboard,MDF and plywood all 18 mm and for the topplate i use birch plywood that varies from 8-11 mm because i noticed that not every lenco frame has the same thickness.

i want to make a layerd plinth from different materials mentioned as above, can someone give me some ideas how to build up a plint say about 5-6 layers from 18 mm and in which order they build the plinth, say for example first two layers off 18 mm chipboard and then 3 layers off 18 mm MDF.

I hope you guys here can give me some ideas for building a good sounding plinth and maybe some other things that i have forgot to think about.

Dennis.
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2020, 03:30:34 PM »

Any thoughts/ideas of how to build up a plint with different layers of wood are welcome.
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2020, 04:04:53 PM »

My thought is: don't over-think it  smiley

I really don't think there's a lot of difference to be found between different mixes of ply and MDF, but I'm sure others will have their own opinons!
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2020, 04:21:26 PM »

I have built five different plinths.  The last three has had the same PTP plates, tonearm and cartridge, i.e., only the plinths have been different.  From this, I can tell you that plinths can change the sound substantially.  Different feet can also change the sound.  I can't give you the formula for the perfect plinth, yet...

On this forum there are many different views on the best plinth materials as well as the opinion that the plinth is not important.  There is no chance that you will get a conclusive answer to your question and a great chance that you will end up confused. 

You have a lot of material.  I think that you should whack together a few different plinths and listen.

Good luck with your build!  Have fun!   smiley

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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2020, 04:46:43 PM »

Yes on mine which is similar to yours I drilled right through for the tonearm and cable but because of how low the standard platter is in that configuration I also routed out and fitted an armboard out of beech ply simply because thats what I had around.

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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2020, 11:34:35 PM »

Excellent workmanship Devo and iceferret, wish I could make something that looked that good!
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2020, 10:52:02 AM »

Why thank you bush baby.  smiley
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2020, 11:36:29 AM »

Thanks Bushbaby grin
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2020, 01:34:47 PM »

Hi,

I totally agree on the fact that You will not succeed in getting the same advice from two members.

What I personally have thought to be sensible is that if You want to lead the vibrations away into the material (dispersion), You cannot have dampening material in between two layers, since it will stop the dispersion. That would mean using the same material, stiff and light, all the way and make it thick. Another "truth" is that more wood makes the sound softer but possibly duller, and more metal makes it more distinct but possibly sharper. That said in ref. to putting the tonearm on the top plate or mounting it on the plinth with various materials as tone arm plate.

As it is said: trial and error.....

(I have used mdf, car damping mat and cork in different layers, glued to a frame of solid oak, and with the original arm, and I am pretty OK with that)

Good luck
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2020, 08:50:35 PM »


I totally agree on the fact that You will not succeed in getting the same advice from two members.


I agree wink
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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2020, 10:24:14 PM »

Hi Dennis.

Love the granite finish  cool
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2020, 12:11:10 AM »

According to the replies i got on my question, i will build some different plinths and find out my self if i can hear any difference in sound quality, if i do i will let it now.
Now i first have to glue the plinth's together and finish them but that probably would take a while because i am waiting for some parts for the lenco's.

Cheers Dennis.
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2020, 07:32:10 PM »

What kind of "base" you use to put the tt table on ? I guess if you're base is good and well prepared you do not need a lot off extra damping etc on your plinth ? Only damping implied from the music itself  directly on the deck platter etc ???
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2020, 07:01:39 PM »

Hello Darius,

iI certainly believe that the base where the turntable stands on is very important, mostly i  place all my turntables on wooden cabinets. I have read somewhere  on this forum that the use of squash balls under each corner of the turntable will give you great damping and sound improvement so i will also try that when the lenco turntables are ready.
That is what i like most in this hobby, experimenting and tweaking grin

Dennis

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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2020, 10:33:25 AM »

I have mine on spikes resting on aluminium discs which have an oring underneath, all on a 20mm granite slab resting on some heavy duty sorbothane blocks @75mm x 30mm. I can't remember what make as I got them s/h last year.
I have an seismograph app on my phone, how accurate I don't know, I placed on the TT before banging on the furniture and jumping up and down on the floor.........shows a steady line with no spikes so I'm quite happy with it's isolation.  smiley
 
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TT: GL75, Heavy birch plinth, SPH bearing, Audiosilente idler wheel, Origin Live Onyx Tonearm, Hana SL MC
Amp: Musical Fidelity X150
Phono Stage: Exposure XM3
DAC: Beresford Caiman
CD source: Arcam D72
Speakers: PMC GB1
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