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Author Topic: Phono Stage tube PCF802 from VLAD ~ any info?  (Read 19361 times)
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« Reply #330 on: July 17, 2023, 07:41:52 PM »

Vlad's phono stage use DC to heat the tubes.  That is advisable when dealing with the small signals that comes out of a cartridge.  For your buffer, that is not necessary.  I think that the best choice is to use AC to heat the ECC82.  It is much simpler.  The signal is fairly big and you will have no issues with hum, if you take a little bit of care when wiring.  Have a quick look here: https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/heater-wiring-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly.211731/ 
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« Reply #331 on: July 17, 2023, 08:00:31 PM »

Vlad's phono stage use DC to heat the tubes.  That is advisable when dealing with the small signals that comes out of a cartridge.  For your buffer, that is not necessary.  I think that the best choice is to use AC to heat the ECC82.  It is much simpler.  The signal is fairly big and you will have no issues with hum, if you take a little bit of care when wiring.  Have a quick look here: https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/heater-wiring-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly.211731/ 

Excellent, thanks again.
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« Reply #332 on: July 17, 2023, 08:55:30 PM »

Thank you very much Andreas and Niclas!

Best regards

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« Reply #333 on: July 30, 2023, 08:09:15 AM »

I haven't entered this topic for a while because I was away on vacation for a few weeks. I see that there is a lot of fun with this kit and that makes me happy.

I made a new version of the board  with input capacitor and resistor selector as follows:
-   120p and 240p for capacitor
-   47k and 100k for resistance.

Looks like this:
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« Reply #334 on: August 01, 2023, 12:04:55 PM »

Its a great kit Vlad. And lots of fun.  smiley

Niclas would you mind looking over my buffer build?
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« Reply #335 on: August 01, 2023, 12:50:29 PM »

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Of course, show us some good pictures.   smiley
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« Reply #336 on: August 01, 2023, 01:01:52 PM »

Of course, show us some good pictures.   smiley

Thats brilliant Niclas. Thank you so much.  smiley

I'll post some later later today.
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« Reply #337 on: August 01, 2023, 03:52:30 PM »

Ok, here it is. Be brutal. I like criteque from knowledgeable people. There are bound to mistakes.






Red wire-signal
Black wire-B+
Green going to ground.
B+ rail at the top, ground at the bottom

2x100r are missing and I'm waiting for them to be posted alongwith fibre washers.

Obviously I'm not finished but I didn't want to proceed much more without seeking some advice.

Many thanks.
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« Reply #338 on: August 01, 2023, 05:30:00 PM »

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« Reply #339 on: August 01, 2023, 06:17:25 PM »

I can see only one thing that you should change.  The 1 k resistor attached to the grid of the triode is there to stop the tube from oscillating.  The best thing is to solder it directly to the tube socket:



More to read about this here: http://www.valvewizard.co.uk/gridstopper.html

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« Reply #340 on: August 01, 2023, 06:33:11 PM »

I can see only one thing that you should change.  The 1 k resistor attached to the grid of the triode is there to stop the tube from oscillating.  The best thing is to solder it directly to the tube socket:



More to read about this here: http://www.valvewizard.co.uk/gridstopper.html




Ok, Niclas. Good news for me. I will change the 1k and have read about the gridstopper.

I'm very happy. Thank you again.

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« Reply #341 on: August 03, 2023, 09:30:48 PM »

I've got the heater elevation circuit built. I will transfer it to a metal base I think. I thought the acrylic would be good for insulating the circuit but then I thought about heat.




I have also added a cartridge loading switch. 10r, 100r, 1k and 47k. And space for two more values.

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« Reply #342 on: August 04, 2023, 06:24:16 AM »

Acrylic is fine.  It doesn't get very hot in this amplifier.  But, it is not needed at all.  The solder tags provide insulation.
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« Reply #343 on: August 07, 2023, 05:11:33 PM »

So I've built the buffer and the heater elevation circuit. I've tried it out and got no sound.

All the valves were glowing and all seemed well, but after 2-3 minutes the fuse blew.

When I looked over the buffer circuit I saw the the 18k resistors had been roasted.

I'm not sure if I have tapped into the phono signal at the correct point on the PCB.

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« Reply #344 on: August 07, 2023, 05:17:28 PM »

The fact that the fuse blew makes me think that something is wrong with the wiring.  Could you take some pictures and post here?  Also, pictures where you have tapped into the PCB.
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