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Author Topic: philips 22ga230/05 with 12inch wooden tonearm  (Read 1183 times)
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« on: March 09, 2021, 10:28:53 PM »

Hi,

After years of reading about your adventures in hifi, i wanted to share a couple of photos of this philips turntable and my recent installation of a 12inch wooden tonearm made by Jurij. Maybe it is of use to someone. For specifics about the tonearm please see the other components section and search on 12inch wooden tonearm.

Back to the tt. I received this table as a gift when vinyl was less popular than today, maybe 15 years ago. It stayed in a cupboard because i was busy working on lencos, we all know that that takes a while.
When i purchased a 12inch arm i thought it might be fun to mount it to this philips  idler/ belt drive and give it a spin. Also because the original arm was in a bad shape.

Anyway, this tt has a casted rigid top plate, with integrated bearing spindle housing, a motor with a magnet brake that drives an idler that drives a round short belt.
I cleaned it all, the old belts signature was all over the deck, applied new grease and oil to the motor spindle bushes, new belt and of course a new tonearm.

The plinth of the tt is a solid hard wood, and was still in a good shape. Also i have been reading up on the application of sturdy but ‘light weight’ plinths. Dont get me wrong, after having used heavy weight plinths on my lencos for 10+ years i have heard the advantages in combi with idler drives. Just wanted to revisit ideas and try something different (or more correctly put.. go back to the original design ideas). But then without using the original springs. I am more in favor of a solid base then having to apply springs to reduce vibration.
Wanting to reuse its plinth and not damage it, i made an armboard of birch ply that could be clamped between the top and the plinth using the tts casted mounting brackets. It provides a solid connection.
 
Having used it for the first couple of hours only, i am already very pleased with its sound. The table is quiet, the arm performs beautifully with an old philips gp400 cart and new stylus. If you encounter this philips tt, do give it a try..

















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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2021, 02:27:57 AM »

That is a very nice rejuvenation smiley The tt is solidly built. It seems this was Philips' answer to the TD124. Thank you for posting with all the pics.

Enjoy the music thumbsup

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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2021, 07:37:43 AM »

Well they borrowed some ideas i guess. The table with its fixed arm and rather difficult to maintain mechanics (with the use of pom they might not have expected maintenance), it is aimed at the consumer market mainly i would expect. Solid and compact deck it is nevertheless.
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2021, 08:12:08 AM »

They don´t build them like that anymore!
Looks like a solid TT taken to the next level with your conversion and that tonearm. Well done!
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2021, 08:50:25 AM »

Great table and beautiful tonearm!

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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2021, 10:35:19 AM »

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I cleaned it all, the old belts signature was all over the deck,


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Looks indeed like the signature of a Philips belt! Cleaning it up is an expertise in its own right.

Congratulatons on the nice work and I bet it sounds good with the new arm.

Cheers,
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2021, 05:36:21 PM »

Like it!! Especially the armboard.
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2021, 06:21:30 PM »

Thanks for your replies guys!
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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2021, 12:27:28 PM »

Thanks for your replies guys!

Ziet er goed uit,ik kom vlug is luisteren!!
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2021, 12:04:22 PM »

Very nice job, I have one of these myself. I've yet do any maintenance on it except adjusting the magnetic brake and slightly resurfacing the idler wheel. Where did you source your belt and how's the speed accuracy and stability?

Mine has trouble reaching 33.3 rpm, I had to adjust the magnetic brake so that it's basically disabled. Even that wasn't enough at first but it turns out the idler wheel was slipping ever so slightly. After resurfacing the wheel, it's now running actually a touch fast, but only about 0.5% so I think it's still a bit on the slow side taking into account the brake is all the way out. I think it needs a new belt, the current one is some kind of aftermarket jobbie, but it feels quite a bit tighter to me than I would expect from a belt drive and also looks a bit thinner than I would expect.

This is a nice table and I'd think it could perform pretty well with a better tonearm and bolted tightly to a heavier plinth. I know from past experience floating a TT like this on springs underneath the top plate is a very bad mounting arrangement. I guess it provides isolation from foot falls and vibrations in the room, but whatever vibrations exist in the drive system have nowhere to go.

The drive system seems in a pretty good nick, the motor spins quite a long time even after power is turned off, the disc for the magnetic brake seems to act as a fly wheel. There's maybe some noise from the idler assembly, though it spins very freely. I should probably take it apart and give it a good clean and relube. Highly scientific record brush test tells me it doesn't have nearly the kind of torque a Lenco or one of the heavier Duals have, but it's still way stronger than practically any belt drive I've encountered.

The build quality is nice, but as a turntable it's not nearly in the same league as a TD-124, but not bad at all for a 60s consumer unit. It seems to have an auto-lift feature that you can also disable, actually I think it should probably also stop the platter because I hear some mechanism tripping after it lifts the tonearm but it seems something is stuck or slightly out of adjustment.

The original mat was a weird greenish color, but it had hardened beyond restoration, it was a distinctive look that screamed 60s. I'm using a Lenco mat as a stop gap, it's slightly oversized for the platter but looks pretty good, you could argue better than the stock mat, at least more timeless.

The stock cartridge seems ok, nothing special, I think I'm hearing some treble peaking around 10k or so. It's a conical stylus with a 3g tracking force, though the stylus seems an aftermarket one. I actually have a new one for it waiting in an envelope somewhere, i should change it though the one currently installed seems still ok.

Here's a bit blurry photo because everyone likes photos, even slightly bad ones - I have it currently temporarily installed by the computer on top of a Pioneer SX-535 receiver.
EDIT: the photo disappeared somewhere, let's try imgur:

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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2025, 11:34:14 AM »

Thank you for a great post.
My name is Peter and I'm new to this forum.
I got an AG2230 a while ago, and I was astonished by it's quality. I have had Thorens TD124, but putting on a record on this one was something else.
Very quiet.
I need some advice: I would like to change the belt, but I don't know how to access the pulley. Do I have to take the whole thing apart ?
And I am also looking for the adjustment screws for the magnetic brake. My TT is slightly fast.
If I could get some help, I would be so grateful.
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2025, 06:17:37 PM »

Thank you for a great post.
My name is Peter and I'm new to this forum.
I got an AG2230 a while ago, and I was astonished by it's quality. I have had Thorens TD124, but putting on a record on this one was something else.
Very quiet.
I need some advice: I would like to change the belt, but I don't know how to access the pulley. Do I have to take the whole thing apart ?
And I am also looking for the adjustment screws for the magnetic brake. My TT is slightly fast.
If I could get some help, I would be so grateful.

Welcome to Lencoheaven  smiley
I think this should be the eddy brake adjustment.


The service manual is in your email inbox.

Regards,

Anwesh


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