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Author Topic: A novel take on a Uni-pivot arm  (Read 77061 times)
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« Reply #2130 on: January 28, 2025, 10:17:20 PM »

The blade reminds me very much of a spring. Are you sure the VTF is constant regardless of the warped record? As far as my mechanical imagination goes, your bearing point will always move slightly up and down. Nothing that you can normally hear. In addition, the blade brings with it a moment that does not exist with a thread.

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Hi Arndt,

What I call it a Blade, despite its small thickness of 0.2mm, act like a kind of flat spring. In fact Martin called it Flex Bearing, but if I understand well the flex bearing have a kind of counter rotation, a spring back reaction. This blade do not have it for the H rotation. For the V motion hard to say as TA mass get involved.

However the main principle it is the same as the original Supatrac plus a bearing for the hoist that in theory avoid Azimut difference and in theory keep more steady the VTF as no twisting of the hoist, Bias more simple to be controlled.
The blade accompany the rotation of the hoist bearing in a more direct way than the 2 hoist could do, therefore I think the thrust box rotation with the blade is more timing/syhncro.
The top blade clamp avoid that the blade is leaning ( Thrust box ) in any direction ( right or left ), the clamp shaft is locked to the small 3x8x4mm ceramic bearing ensuring a good and steady rotation. Th shaft diameter, 3mm in brass it is strong enough I think for this purpose as the bearing dimension.
The Supatrac pivot ( bearing )  keeps the H line with the 2 screws that lock the blade in the lower thrust box. Here come the first difference as the blade have a certain surface of contact with the thrust box as the blade it is locked therefore some theory of the original Supatrac bearing is gone. Same happen at the top as blade is locked in the clamp.

The vertical line between the blade axis at the top and the thrust box surface has the same principle as the original therefore a very minimum leaning. This leaning in my case make kind of S shape of the blade and there happen its deflection and pressure of the thrust box against the H pivot.

To avoid possible moment or let s say short comings the precision of the whole unit needed it is more difficult to achieve for a DIYer like me without special machinery.

However the thrust box turn around the sharp tip of the pivot in every direction.

I tuned up the TA in a way that the blade have the very very minimum force necessary to keep the thrust box and pivot in contact. Also its rotation for the entire side of the record act like the Supatrac with the TA wand in balance in H position behave like it is in the NULL POINT.

Are there extra moments comparing to the 2 standard hoist? Most probably yes especially with my execution that I knew could not be realised enough accurate.
Does this affect the sound? May be yes, may be not, I could not hear today, the magic of the Supatrac bearing was all there in my rig, but as I said the sound in LP reproduction has sooo many variables that I like to avoid to talk or comment.

My impression of the 2 mods ( bearing plus blade ) and not blade alone was:

The overall benefit exceed the short comings, however as I said the bearing in my opinion and to my rough clone is positively good.

Blade, if you are bored and you like to do something to your TA, since implementing the hoist bearing, could be an inspiring experience that make worth the extra effort.

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Adelmo



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« Reply #2131 on: January 28, 2025, 10:54:09 PM »

Hi Adelmo,
I had to smile a little, because when I thought about a spring on the Supatrac there was a little shitstorm. My point with your solution is the moment that an ‘up down movement’ of the arm introduces in the blade.
I consider analogue reproduction to be a mechanical imperfection anyway. That it sounds so great...
It grinds and rattles, but it still works. Glorious!

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« Reply #2132 on: January 28, 2025, 11:13:29 PM »

Hi Adelmo,
I had to smile a little, because when I thought about a spring on the Supatrac there was a little shitstorm. My point with your solution is the moment that an ‘up down movement’ of the arm introduces in the blade.
I consider analogue reproduction to be a mechanical imperfection anyway. That it sounds so great...
It grinds and rattles, but it still works. Glorious!

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Arndt

Hi Arndt,

I got it and most probably there is a bigger moment compared to the original hoist, but also there the mass involved goes up and down, though I am not able to listen the short comings of this blade . For now I use it as it is for a while till I shall make the bearing plus hoist version to compare.

Still think regardless the theory and possible short comings, would be inspiring to try.

After all record reproduction stand since ages on technical and solution compromise.

  
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« Reply #2133 on: January 29, 2025, 05:02:35 PM »

Hi Adelmo,
I had to smile a little, because when I thought about a spring on the Supatrac there was a little shitstorm. My point with your solution is the moment that an ‘up down movement’ of the arm introduces in the blade.
I consider analogue reproduction to be a mechanical imperfection anyway. That it sounds so great...
It grinds and rattles, but it still works. Glorious!

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Arndt


Hi Arndt,

I checked the VTF for the entire side of the LP and I got a small variation: from 2,56gr to 2,58gr. Not a perfect range but in line with my whole DIY TA.

Listening more LPs SEEMS that the sound with the 2 mods it is a bit more state solid sound and less valve sound so this may be was a reason that Vivaldi 4  seasons sounded so good yesterday. Matter of taste rather than better or worse in my opinion, may be more detailed and precise but also a less relaxing listening seems.

AS i plan to keep this TA as it is for a while I shall listen more LPs.....


Rgds

Adelmo

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« Reply #2134 on: January 29, 2025, 06:08:06 PM »

Hi Adelmo,  could you post a photo of a sided view of counterweight area please.  grin

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« Reply #2135 on: January 29, 2025, 06:23:44 PM »

Hi Adelmo,  could you post a photo of a sided view of counterweight area please.  grin

Andy

Hi Andy,

Sorry for the poor pic quality but I have a wall behind, hard to reach the TA back.

The thrust steel box haas a groove that enable the SS plate ( counter weight ) to slide and there inside the box I have the locking nut. Since the SS plate weight for my 12 inch TA was too light I added below to it a round brass weight. To this brass I added a brass M5 thread for the fine VTF tuning. My aim was to have the CV as thin and low as possible and as near the pivot as possible.

Below the pic.

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« Reply #2136 on: January 29, 2025, 08:32:14 PM »

Adelmo....how does sound compare to your LT?

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« Reply #2137 on: January 29, 2025, 10:21:10 PM »

Adelmo....how does sound compare to your LT?

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Vic



Hi Vic,


The LT sounds amazing in the most inner tracks ( especially the last 2 ), overall more relaxed listening, but I still have a too much heavy wand and different TT so it is not fair comparison. The LT sound should be more open using a 20 gr less heavy wand.
I have been lazy lately and did not finish yet the lighter wand. I have difficulty to solder the clips and the DIN connector to the wires so I stopped there. However I shall resume it soon hoping not to waste too many clips and DIN connectors.

Also I need to find the way to lower 10mm the TA of the LT so the double Supatrac H pivots could be below the record plane as is supposed to be, small issue but are part of the TA tuning.

However I have to say that the top bearing and blade despite the not so precise mechanical execution works well in my 12inch TA without the bias.

If I have to comment today the Supatrac listening I should say that the piano is less dry ( seems I could hear a bit more the piano string vibration ) but perhaps too sharp sound so tiring listening a bit.

It is more a matter of taste than better or worse the Supatrac with the 2 combined mods.

LT instead is something different.

Best rgds

Adelmo



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« Reply #2138 on: January 29, 2025, 10:25:04 PM »

Need to try underhung!
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« Reply #2139 on: January 29, 2025, 10:28:51 PM »

Not yet in operation, but already close . Bamboo medium to heavy DIY from my friend Wolfgang.






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« Reply #2140 on: January 29, 2025, 10:35:26 PM »

Need to try underhung!



Soon or later.............

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« Reply #2141 on: January 29, 2025, 10:40:05 PM »

Not yet in operation, but already close . Bamboo medium to heavy DIY from my friend Wolfgang.






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Hi Arndt,

I am a fan of the Bamboo wand, though I use round raw bamboo combined to aluminum parts and different inner treatment.

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Adelmo


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